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Re: “Jon Justice Responds to Dupnik Criticism

Cindee,

If you're going to play the "removal from web site indicates guilty conscience" card, then kindly start accusing The Daily Kos, which removed its own "bullseye on Giffords" page, as well as the "Giffords is DEAD to me" page.

If you're going to play the "right wingers say violent things" card, then kindly address the comments of Paul Kanjorski, a former (defeated in November) PA congressman who said that the Republican candidate for governor of Florida should be "lined up against a wall and shot".

If you're going to play the "right wingers do violent things" card, then kindly address the beating of Kenneth Gladney (a black man) by white SEIU people (hint: the SEIU is way over on the left) in St. Louis. Or discuss the lefty who bit off the finger of a Tea Party demonstrator in Thousand Oaks, California. You can also talk about the people who planned to firebomb attendees of the 2008 Republican convention in Minneapolis.

Regarding the "how can a mental case get a gun?" issue, I'll explain in simple steps so you can understand:

1) How are mental cases kept from getting guns? Their names are put in a database which gun sellers refer to when making a sale
2) How do the names of mental cases get on the list? Government authorities put their names there because the mental cases did things which got them noticed by said authorities
3) Did any local government authority know of crazy/nasty things which this nutcase said/did? Yes, Sheriff Dupnik's department (that is not speculation - he has said so to NPR and others)
4) Did Sheriff Dupnik's department try to get the name of this mental case on the list? We don't know. But my BELIEF is that the answer is "no", due to Dupnik's incompetence or political concerns.

Note that I've clearly labeled my beliefs in the above - all other items are facts which you can find out for yourself by spending a few minutes at your favorite search engine.

Meanwhile, if you wish to convince people that "right-wing rhetoric" caused this nut job to shoot people, you might resort to the facts of the case (no, screaming "Palin did it!" repeatedly does not constitute a "fact"). When you do so, you'll also need to address facts which contradict your narrative (obsession with Giffords since at least 2007, no evidence of any Tea Party leanings).

My belief, though, is that you'll continue to spout your lefty rhetoric, because you BELIEVE it so strongly that OF COURSE anyone who doesn't agree with you HAS to be evil or deluded.

Posted by caldodge on 01/12/2011 at 9:42 AM

Re: “Jon Justice Responds to Dupnik Criticism

No, Dupnik didn't pull the trigger, and neither did Sarah Palin (contrary to the assertions of the legions of the Left).

But Dupnik's department DID deal with multiple death threats by Loughner, and the only response was to tell the threatened parties "don't worry, he's under control".

Here's a different narrative for all of you: Political hack sheriff refuses to deal with nutjob because hack sheriff doesn't want to cause trouble for fellow Democrat. Now political hack sheriff is desperate to keep the public's attention off HIS (in)actions.

Do I KNOW any of this? Of course not. But the verifiable facts so far (the sheriff has publicly admitted multiple contacts with Loughner due to his death threats, Loughner's mother is also a Pima County employee) at least FIT my narrative, while there are no FACTS (I'm referring to actual evidence, not the fevered religious beliefs of the Left) which support the "Palin inspired it" narrative (Loughner not affiliated with any party, didn't vote in the election which brought Tea Party folk to the voting booths in record numbers, Loughner's obsession apparently dates back to AT LEAST 2007).

Basically, the Left's approach is this: "I hate X, therefore X caused Loughner to shoot those people". That's fine as a religious belief, but don't expect sympathy from me when you seek to have the government ACT on behalf of your religion.

Posted by caldodge on 01/12/2011 at 9:21 AM

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